Author Topic: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil  (Read 14780 times)

clubjoe1

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140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« on: April 29, 2013, 10:59:43 AM »
Everyone here in the states knows that you can get 90wt GL1 non hypoid oil at
NAPA in either 1 gal or 5 gal. Well I've been working with a supplier for a few
months now to get 140 wt GL1 non hypoid. He finally was able to convince the
manufacturer to make some up. They only come in 5 gal containers for $50.28 and
shipping down to me cost $24.25. They have an extremely long shelf life so it's
good to pick it up even for future use or a group of guys could buy it and
share. If you want some give Mike Wagner a call directly and give him my name.

Mike Wagner
Petroleum Service Company
Wilkes-Barre, PA 18703
Office: 570-822-1151
E-mail: mwagner@...
www.petroleumservicecompany.com

Joe Lawrence
Brandon, FL

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Jim Janecek

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Re: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 12:07:46 PM »
for those who don't know: vehicles with wet clutches like the Messerschmitt KR200 need NON-Hypoid gear oil.

If you go shopping for the proper weight gear oil you will probably find everything to be for HYPOID gears, the additives in these oils are not compatible with the material in the clutch lining and it will rapidly deteriorate the linings.
These are usually 2-stroke motors with integral gearboxes like the SACHS motor.
Finding a NON-Hypoid Gear oil can be easy or hard, depending on where you live.  Not everyone stocks it.

4-stroke motors generally have clutches that are "dry" and not affected by this issue.

kabinenroller

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Re: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 05:49:03 PM »

Golden Spectro gear oil (80wt) is available at most large motorcycle shops.
It is compatible with wet clutches and is non-hypoid.
I sometimes purchase it on-line from Bob's Cycle Supply.
I have been using it for years in my Messerschmitt's and it works perfectly.
Jim Garbo
The 'Schmitt Haus

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Re: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 06:54:16 PM »
Last time I bought Golden Spectro at a Motorcycle shop it cost around $11 a quart (so $44 a gallon).
If the 140W that Joe mentioned will work in a Sachs motor, you'd pay for it after less than 2 gallons (7 quarts)  and still have 3 gallons+ (13 quarts) left over for free.

That was about 2 years ago.  Pain in the ass trying to find it in the Chicago-land area in quarts though. 

tiagotoo

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Re: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 09:02:26 AM »
After reading an article putting forth a logical arguement for longer lasting synthetic oils in lighter weight, I decided to try it. The Isetta seems to run smoother on the 0-w20.
If the oil provides a protective film at operating temperatures, aren't the parts protected just as well with a thin oil as a thick oil? Will my mileage get better by not having to work the 140wt or 90wt oil up to operating temps?

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Re: 140 wt Non Hypoid GL1 Gear Oil
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 11:12:33 AM »
The Isetta is not supposed to be using 90+W gear oil anywhere.
You should be using 40W in the engine/gearbox/chaincase. (according to the manual)
The 0-20W oil you mentioned is good if you don't actually use the Isetta in hot climates or don't drive it very far or long.
It will remain thin and flow easily at low temperatures, but it is not intended for high temps.  If you brought it up to operating temperature and ran it for awhile it would be "too thin" for specs.

This topic was about the gear oil needed for the 2-stroke engine in the Messerschmitt. Different beast